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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 16:31:07 GMT
Rules summit - next Saturday- Shoeless Joe’s - Mannheim & Higgins?
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Post by Admin on Mar 7, 2018 18:20:18 GMT
I love Pat's commentary. It is great. I don't see any actual formation changes from SOM in Pat's comments, which is why we should wait for the 2 HB rule to be implemented by SOM before we implement it. Duke Johnson and Lesean McCoy in the same backfield, as an example in our current league, would be unrealistic and a nightmare.
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Post by Ryan D (Ravens & Redskins) on Mar 7, 2018 21:01:07 GMT
Rules summit - next Saturday- Shoeless Joe’s - Mannheim & Higgins? The 10th or the 17th? My Dad and I will not be available on the 17th - its St. Patrick's Day. My vote would be for just about any other day than St. Patricks Day.
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Post by Jets and Chargers on Mar 7, 2018 21:43:19 GMT
Weekends are likely out for me. Can we do it on a weeknight?
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Post by Ryan D (Ravens & Redskins) on Mar 7, 2018 22:37:26 GMT
Works for me.
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Post by John on Mar 7, 2018 23:52:27 GMT
How is a 17% chance of hitting a target radar? NFL punters make their money by kicking high and long and when called for, pinning the opponent close to the end zone. Our current rule is misnamed as a 1-5 role means the punt is unreturned due to coverage or sometimes going out of bounds. The minus 10-25 yards accounts for a higher kick with more hangtime as well possible angle for aiming for the coffin corner.
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Post by Pat Hoglund on Mar 8, 2018 1:15:07 GMT
That's an 83% chance of kicking the ball to the exact yard marker (3 feet) from 60 + yds away. Other than snipers not sure who else is that accurate at what they do from that distance.
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Post by John on Mar 8, 2018 1:53:25 GMT
If you can roll a 7 83% of the time, we should hit the casino. That’s what it takes to hit the exact yard. The odds of rolling a 7 is 16.6666...%. Every punter’s card allows for enough random results. You can aim for the 1 yard line if you roll a 7 but that give you a 41.6666...% chance of a touchback even if you don’t roll a 6 on the 3rd die. Most times players play it safe and aim closer to the 5. How many times in our league have you seen a punt play end at the 1 yard line. I’d guess that our punts downed inside the 5 is probably pretty close to the NFL.
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Post by huntleybrian8 on Mar 8, 2018 5:48:31 GMT
I could jump on the Pat train and add a few more. Whether you agree or disagree with me, Pat or Rich, As I stated previously we bastardize the rules as WE see fit, good, bad or indifferent.
Definition of bastardize
bastardized; bastardizing transitive verb 1 : to reduce from a higher to a lower state or condition : debase 2 : to declare or prove to be a bastard 3 : to modify especially by introducing discordant or disparate elements
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Post by pbisiules on Mar 8, 2018 6:26:37 GMT
I vote no to 2HB in same backfield
for many similar reasons that Rich named, especially the multiple A/B YAC receivers that can only be doubled with a DB
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Post by Pat Hoglund on Mar 8, 2018 14:14:42 GMT
The reasoning behind the argument that there will be too many backfields that will have 2 'A' YAC receivers or an A/B is flawed for 2 reasons.
1. There are only 15 HB's rated as an 'A' YAC. It is not hard to do the math that in a 24 team league there are not enough for each team to have one much less two. So there might be 1-2 teams a year. Currently there are a few more than that but as teams start to better understand the value of YAC that will even out.
2. How frequent and valuable is YAC? Here is the math for YAC rolls:(using 48yds for Long gains) A- 11yd avg B- 8yd avg C- 6yd avg D- 4yd avg E- 3yd avg So the difference between a 'B" and a "C" is 2yds
The frequency is not as often as you think. Out of the 25 QB's that I have done the math on so far,On avg there are 9 to 10 chances out of 36 on a QB's guessed right card (11-12 on a wrong). The Highest guessed right is 12. Those 4 are (Brees, Smith, Hoyer, Tannehill). There are 2 with 11(Cousins, Dalton). So basically it equates a Receiver roll on the QB card. Only a 9.5/72 chance (13.2%). On the Highest guys (16.6%).
Are we really that concerned that a roughly 15 % chance of flat passes, that have an average of a 2 yard differential (2nd HB 'B' vs BB/2nd TE 'C'), will change the game that drastically?
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Post by Jets and Chargers on Mar 8, 2018 14:19:20 GMT
Thanks, Pat. That is only one of my objections. What I haven't heard are compelling reasons for allowing 2 HBs in the backfield at the same time. I do not believe the argument "we allow ORT to play OLT" so let's let a "HB play FB" is a compelling argument.
I think we should make an agenda for our Rules Summit.
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Post by huntleybrian8 on Mar 8, 2018 14:35:48 GMT
How about thsi one? We allow FS to play SS and vice versa which has an effect on how we play defense and has a pretty big effect on the game.
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Post by Jets and Chargers on Mar 8, 2018 14:56:29 GMT
Personally, I believe that most NFL defenses use safeties that are interchangeable. There are very few teams that play a single high FS that is like a "center fielder" from when we were young. Because they are interchangeable, I am comfortable with what we have done.
With that being said, now that we are a few seasons into the "YAC" rules -- I believe it is a worthwhile discussion -- should we only allow SS to play SS because STRAT rates them for the YAC defense? Alternatively, should we allow the FS to play SS at a reduced run defense rate.
I don't think it is a "compelling reason" to change to 2 HBs.
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Post by Pat Hoglund on Mar 8, 2018 15:00:41 GMT
Reasons why I do not like 2 HBs in the backfield. 1. Rarely do we see 2 "workhorse" type HBs in the same backfield in the NFL. Heck, the running full back is gone. In our league, we will have backfields with LeVeon Bell and Theo Riddick; or Lamar Miller and Mark Ingram. This is unrealistic. Theo is not blocking for LeVeon and LeVeon is not blocking for Theo. These guys have specific roles and packages. In the past, Strat has carded Deuce McAllister as a HB/FB and Reggie Bush as a HB so that they can both be in the same backfield. Permitting 2 HBs in the same backfield will drastically reduce the "keying" of a HB. It decreases the defense's ability to play defense.
And yet we keep sticking ourselves with crap stock defensive cards year after year after year.
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