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Post by Jets and Chargers on Jul 31, 2022 21:39:00 GMT
If this passes, I do not see a reason to distinguish between "injured reserve" NC players or "retired" or "out of work for a year" NC players.
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Post by huntleybrian8 on Aug 1, 2022 20:36:07 GMT
I'll agree with that.
I guess the real question is how do we handle players who continually uncarded for any of the aforementioned reasons? I know we have a 2 year rule in place about uncarded players which i'm sure is not being monitored or enforced. Should we leave this rule in place and start to watch more closely or amnend it?
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Post by allday28 on Aug 2, 2022 4:19:29 GMT
I do not think there should be a limit on when a NC IR'd player expires. Consider Andrew Luck 2.0, if the coach that drafted Luck wanted to keep Luck on his IR for a decade while they are still of playing age, that should be allowable. If you acquired the player and they eventually get a NC, you should be allowed to keep them on your IR for as long as you see fit.
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Post by huntleybrian8 on Aug 2, 2022 12:59:15 GMT
Using Luck as an example, How long is he the Colts "Property" after he officially announces his retirement? I'm pretty sure if Luck came back now he's considered to be a free agent. That would be the only rub with allowing a player whose not carded year after year to be kept in perpetuity. It's that balance between "injured reserve" and players who are just not being carded for various reasons. I can live with it either way, but it could become a slippery slope.
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Post by Jets and Chargers on Aug 2, 2022 13:36:03 GMT
If luck came back — colts have his rights because he was under contract
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Post by huntleybrian8 on Aug 2, 2022 15:13:36 GMT
So are we basically wanting to eliminate the two year, NC rule in place now? I don't really care too much either way.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2022 15:33:13 GMT
I do like all the input here but its clear that the rules need to be reviewed updated etc before we consider new changes for this year or next. My thoughts below
- NC RULE (clarified now for 2022)
- IR RULE (must be for 2023) must be clarified but in my opinion must be for the 2023 draft
- DRAFT PICK trading when done drafting (2022)- My proposal is that every team must draft a minimum number of picks 6 or 7, and if they are done their remaining picks are then forfeited. No team should be allowed to dump the remainder of their draft picks to another team for a meaningless future 8th or 9th round pick. OR they can trade their next 3 picks for a 4th RD pick in the following years draft. I of course am open to this rule be adjusted modified etc.
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Post by bowlinghero1 on Aug 2, 2022 18:49:43 GMT
I vote yes
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Post by huntleybrian8 on Aug 2, 2022 19:05:10 GMT
There are now 8 votes to approve the IR system for 2022, which means it will go into effect then. I believe Rich will be sending out a post later tonight with a cleaned up version of the final version.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2022 19:19:58 GMT
I strongly OPPOSE this for 2022, there is NO FORMAL PROPOSAL and votes were retracted and changed. We need a cleaned up version and I recommend this is put into place for 2023. No team should have an advantage going into this draft even if its one team its still not right.
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Post by huntleybrian8 on Aug 2, 2022 20:05:13 GMT
How is ANY team gaining an advantage?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2022 20:08:30 GMT
To make this rule now when some teams have multiple NC and some have few is not fair as it changes the whole roster composition as well as affects the mindset when making a trade of an NC player present and future
It is a good proposal but can’t be put into affect until 2023 so everyone knows the rules for the upcoming season
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Post by huntleybrian8 on Aug 2, 2022 21:04:08 GMT
1) You've not explained how anybody gains an advantage by adding an IR system now? Are you trying to say somebody that may not have 5 uncarded players is at now a disadvantage?
2) I'm also not understanding how "It changes your whole roster composition"?
3) By my quick count you need to have at least 44 carded players to be legal to run every SOM formation. This assumes only 1 backup at each position and only having one KR and one PR. If you need to have
two KR or PR then that number increases to 46. If somebody has more than 5 NC players, they may literally not be able to have a valid roster.
4) Theoretically it sounds like your opinion is that any rule changes proposed during our current off-season(End of 2021 Season) should only take effect a full season ahead in 2023? Am I interpreting
this correctly?
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Post by Jets and Chargers on Aug 2, 2022 22:33:49 GMT
FWIW -- I only count 5 votes.
Also -- "big" changes generally are made prior to knowledge of cards / ratings / etc.
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Post by huntleybrian8 on Aug 2, 2022 22:58:18 GMT
Rich-Myself, Ryan, Mark, John, Pete, Gary, Anthony, Pat are the yes votes. I'm pretty sure your an additional "yes" vote makin 9 in total. Jimmy is the only 'No" vote.
I would not exactly consider this a big change. It does not effect any game play change at all. It has a minor effect on the totality of rosters.
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