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Post by allday28 on Jun 8, 2021 0:19:21 GMT
When I agreed to play in this league, I did so understanding that we were playing live, in person, games at John's or someone else's residence. When COVID happened, we all adapted and moved to the PC version as we needed to due to the circumstances and that was fine. Did this season need to be played on PC? Yes. Will I finish the season for both teams regardless of the playing medium? Yes.
That being said, I/Chiefs and Giants have absolutely no interest in continuing to play on the PC going forward. After this season is over, I will not play another game on PC; it is, quite simply, not what I signed up for, not enjoyable, and not how I want to spend my free time.
If the league wishes to continue on PC (I completely understand that desire), it will continue without me running the Chiefs/Giants.
If the league wishes to continue in person games, I would be happy to manage the Chiefs/Giants for the foreseeable future.
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Post by John on Jun 8, 2021 0:58:37 GMT
Tony, are you available next week for for Oilers v Chiefs at my house?
A few games have been played in person here this season.
My hope is, with the covid problem ending, many more games can occur in person next season. With my retirement, the back room should be even more available ( mornings & afternoons as well as evenings). Chris and I are planning to play our next game in person on computers with a direct connection to see if that will help with lockup problems. Though the last 3 games I have played I had a total of 1 restart.
My opinion of playing face to face with cards and dice is like eating a well prepared steak.
Playing the computer game is like eating a hamburger.
Trouble is that I still have to eat.
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Post by huntleybrian8 on Jun 8, 2021 12:22:12 GMT
Covid is not the reason games are not being played in
person. The other “C” words are-Convenience and comfort.
Whether you like it or not, those two “C’s” trump all other reasons.
Then there’s the other benefits like no more rule interpretations and dice misreads. No more phone games. There’s team reports and stats.
As far as complaints about game freezes, that’s the result of two other “C’s”-Computers and Connection. It’s 2021 and these items are another “C”-Cheap. I’d venture to say that any/all other interests or hobbies people in the league have are for more expensive that obtaining a top end PC or laptop and a high speed internet connection. If we all love the game so much-and I think we do, Get the proper tools to play. Golf, pool, darts, bowling, softball, fantasy sports, etc etc, all cost more than top end Strat will.
Lastly, games can be played FTF. Grab your laptop, meet up with your opponent, play said game sitting across from one another on each of your machines. This way you can still tell your opponent that they suck or are the luckiest human alive when the dice seal your fate.
One last “C”-I fully understand the “charms” of FTF C&D. The bottom line is the only way for OFM to be sustainable is computer play. OFM was the last remaining dinosaur 🦖. Computer play will give us an endless supply of potential owners for many years to come.
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Post by allday28 on Jun 8, 2021 18:45:34 GMT
I, personally, do not find the computer game convenient or comfortable. It’s reached the point where I don’t enjoy playing the game on the computer. It’s annoying and frustrating and those aren’t traits I’m looking for in a hobby.
Face to face with a laptop doesn’t solve anything since my issues are with the computer game itself.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 19:50:51 GMT
I am sympathetic to Tony’s view point
I am just the opposite I have no desire to play in any other format but the computer game. If the league is going back o face to face I will resign from my teams as well as I can’t commit to traveling etc and time frames to play the games outside of coordinated online times
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Post by Jets and Chargers on Jun 8, 2021 20:30:17 GMT
Tony — you think the computer is out to get you? How so?
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Post by allday28 on Jun 8, 2021 21:57:54 GMT
Tony — you think the computer is out to get you? How so? I have never said that; I’ve watched other teams be decimated by injuries as well (I.e. the last game I played against Jimmy). |
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Post by huntleybrian8 on Jun 8, 2021 22:28:08 GMT
So the real issue is injuries? If that's the case, what your resolve? Injuries happen at twice the level in FTF. You have shorter,in game 3 dies injuries and multiple game injuries on 4 die ones.....
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Post by allday28 on Jun 8, 2021 22:34:34 GMT
You have stated there is no resolve for the computer game outside of eliminating injuries entirely.
As for FTF, I have no issue with OFM’s injury system.
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Post by Jets and Chargers on Jun 9, 2021 1:21:26 GMT
Tony -- injuries are less in the computer game (likely caught more frequently).
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Post by huntleybrian8 on Jun 9, 2021 1:57:40 GMT
I'm super confused. Injuries are an issue but you're ok with the system that has more injuries and potentially more severe injuries? What am I missing?
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Post by allday28 on Jun 9, 2021 17:09:19 GMT
Call it anecdotal evidence but I have experienced far fewer injuries in person than the computer game. I have never seen a one play or one quarter injury on the computer but remember them from FTF games. Injuries are far more frequent on the computer we’ve even talked off line about this as you’ve mentioned how lax OFM is with injuries and how the computer game was “more” realistic.
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Post by allday28 on Jun 9, 2021 17:10:15 GMT
Tony -- injuries are less in the computer game (likely caught more frequently). I strongly disagree with this. Game ending injuries are more common on computer than FTF. Edit: at this point the injury argument is fruitless. It has completely ruined the computer game for me to the point where I’m not going to bother purchasing it because I don’t enjoy it. It’s not fun. We can debate the topic until the the cows come home, but that isn’t going to change the fact that I am not having fun playing the game online. And I’m not going to dedicate time to something that I genuinely hate doing (which is what this has become). |
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Post by Jets and Chargers on Jun 9, 2021 22:39:08 GMT
Tony -- no need to debate injuries. The bottom line is that if the game is not enjoyable then you should not play. Thanks for finishing out the season.
Now back to injuries . . . injuries occur on rolls where 3 dice are the same (except the penalty die). The likelihood of this occurring is the same in either game. OFM also has 4 die injuries; but, of course, those injuries include 3 die injuries so the rate of injury is the same (which was my point above). In OFM, the "3 die injury" chart has shorter injuries: one play; 1/4/; 1/2; rest of game. The "4 die injury" chart has longer injuries: rest of season; 8 games; 6 games; 4 games; etc. Your complaint that there are "too many" injuries likely rings hollow with us "old timers" because we have played many a season where we have lost a "good" player for the remainder of the season. If you otherwise enjoy the game, put it up for a vote; maybe the youngsters prefer no injuries.
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Post by allday28 on Jun 9, 2021 23:37:27 GMT
In OFM, the "3 die injury" chart has shorter injuries: one play; 1/4/; 1/2; rest of game. And what is the computer version using for odds? Because length of 3 die injuries is solely where I feel the discrepancy lies. Not sure why this needs to dissolve into an old vs new school philosophy either; both ways can inherently be flawed. |
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