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Post by John on Apr 26, 2020 19:43:40 GMT
I talked with Alex. His computer is down. He approved Rich’s proposal. The Seahawks will not participate in the playoffs.
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Post by allday28 on Apr 27, 2020 20:28:43 GMT
I vote no. Play this season out (as long as it takes) and then shorten next season. By deciding on shortening next season, we are all prepared for it and you lose the "surprise" factor/chaos that we are all suffering through now.
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Post by Jets and Chargers on Apr 28, 2020 13:40:04 GMT
I vote no. Play this season out (as long as it takes) and then shorten next season. By deciding on shortening next season, we are all prepared for it and you lose the "surprise" factor/chaos that we are all suffering through now. When do we draft next year? During the player's second season? If earlier -- how do we determine draft order?
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Post by huntleybrian8 on Apr 28, 2020 14:08:15 GMT
Does it really matter when we draft next year? Does it really matter if we draft during a players second season? It's not ideal, but hardly critical.
The real debate stems from the fact that there's an assumption being made that the current season cannot be completed whenever anybody decides how/when they want to play again. Does it matter if it took till the end of July to play out the regular season? June is usually used as an elongated month for playoffs and July/August are dormant except for the Super Bowl. Realistically the likely playoff scenarios under any circumstance can be completed in a two to three week period. It's not that many games (11 Total) and it's participants are usually the more committed, available players anyways. If that were to occur, you'd still be on schedule with your normal draft date (Labor Day Weekend). We really could be considering this April and May our normal June and July.
I'm not sure I understand your question about the draft order? Why would anything change with how the draft order is determined no matter how the season plays out?
As far as next season goes, you wouldn't even need to shorten it necessarily but I agree that I'd rather have talk of a shorter season before a season begins rather than just doing it in the middle of a season.
Lastly, There needs to be a very serious discussion about an option for games to be played as needed using the computer version of the game whether you've played it before or not. At it's simplist level this option can be used to keep the league on time, all the time.
Brian Patriots/Jaguars
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Post by Jets and Chargers on Apr 28, 2020 14:43:22 GMT
Brian,
Of course I would prefer to play the entire regular season. Yes; we can push it back. But to what end? To determine the playoff teams? Don't we really know who they are now? For the teams on the fringe you can have "play in" games to get to the final 6 for each conference. My proposal attempts to address all of these concerns. I expected some tinkering and commentary rather than votes.
I am comfortable playing the computer game to finish our season. However, I will not request anyone to expend the funds at this time. That could be a proposal you make. I will gladly vote to play the rest of the season using the computer game with rules that approximate ours as much as possible. The only issue is really injuries.
Regarding next season -- the draft order cannot be determined until we complete the playoffs. If we complete the playoffs in October and the NFL is in Week 5 it fundamentally changes the nature of the draft. To me, it is important to draft prior to the NFL season starting.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2020 15:23:00 GMT
In regards to the computer game;
I will not purchase one until I have played one.
You don't buy a car without test driving it first, do you?
Yes, I know they are 2 different things, but still . . .
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2020 15:40:27 GMT
In regards to playing the complete season by the "end of July" and then doing the playoffs in " 2-3 weeks";
Those are both assumptions.
Yes, I would like to finish the season completely. The reality is some people cannot play their games due to the Pandemic.
The draft order is decided by regular season standings AND playoff results. Which team gets the 1st pick and the Superbowl winner is last
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Post by allday28 on Apr 28, 2020 15:46:57 GMT
Brian, Of course I would prefer to play the entire regular season. Yes; we can push it back. But to what end? To determine the playoff teams? Don't we really know who they are now? For the teams on the fringe you can have "play in" games to get to the final 6 for each conference. My proposal attempts to address all of these concerns. I expected some tinkering and commentary rather than votes. I am comfortable playing the computer game to finish our season. However, I will not request anyone to expend the funds at this time. That could be a proposal you make. I will gladly vote to play the rest of the season using the computer game with rules that approximate ours as much as possible. The only issue is really injuries. Regarding next season -- the draft order cannot be determined until we complete the playoffs. If we complete the playoffs in October and the NFL is in Week 5 it fundamentally changes the nature of the draft. To me, it is important to draft prior to the NFL season starting. In that scenario everyone is on a level playing field and has equal notice. Ideal? No. Level playing field? Yes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2020 16:09:58 GMT
Which scenario? There are 2 suggested.
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Post by Jets and Chargers on Apr 28, 2020 18:22:07 GMT
The computer game is $44. You can download immediately. $18 more for card image option which I recommend.
Pick— I’ll guarantee your $62 if you don’t like it.
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Post by huntleybrian8 on Apr 28, 2020 18:32:37 GMT
Rich-I don't even remotely think we know who will be in the playoffs yet or furthermore where they would be positioned in the playoffs. Look at the AFC Central and tell me "you know" which teams are coming out of there. Even in the Jets divison there are no longer any assurances two teams come out of there. NFC East (Patriots, Cowboys) still battling for position.
Right now i'm assuming nothing. If nobody plays any games in May then the situation could be revisited again.
Pick-Everything is an assumption at this point. I've not heard from anybody in the league who "cannot" play their games due to the pandemic. Nobody on the forum has indicated they cannot play and nobody i've spoken with has indicated that either. If they're choosing not to play, that's a different story. Can't do anything about that. People who were behind when the stoppage came have been given options to continue playing (Zoom, Facetime, Skype)to get caught up and John has indicated he doesn't have any issues with games in the back room should people want to play.
In Rich's scenario , We still don't have answers to the question of whether you can jump in or out of the playoffs as you see fit. Might be kind of important.
But I digress because quite honestly i'm tired of discussing all of it. For the record, if Rich's proposal is the way we're deciding to move forward, the Jaguars and Patriots will make their decision after everybody else has made their decision.
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Post by Jets and Chargers on Apr 28, 2020 19:35:21 GMT
I am not playing any face to face games until I feel it is safe. For me "safe" means when I believe the healthcare system can handle the likely increase in patients upon the "re-opening of America." I will not need a vaccine or anti-viral treatment; rather, I will need to know that reasonable medical treatment is available.
I cannot realistically make "Zoom" work. I have dice rolling app and I can share the screen. I cannot make it so that you can see the dice/the board/the play card indicator. I'd rather not be in the position where people don't believe me when they guessed my offensive play incorrectly 37 consecutive times. If someone can figure out a way to make it work, I am all in. I tried with John and Dave. When it failed, I made a proposal. I haven't seen any other proposals so I don't know what Brian is tired of talking about. You haven't discussed it with me. Like most things, if we actually talked we could likely work this out.
What are the other options? Wait? Ok. There is no reason to rush on my proposal. We can wait until the end of May and see where we are at. But getting all those games in within a short time -- I want to draft on time -- will be difficult.
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Post by Ryan D (Ravens & Redskins) on Apr 28, 2020 20:28:47 GMT
I feel strongly that we should NOT end the regular season, as there are many implications it will have going forward.
I believe we should try to finish this season with as much normalcy as possible. The games yet to be played will have great impact on both the playoffs and draft. I find those to be crucial to our season. There are multiple teams still vying for division titles, 1st round byes, and playoff spots. If the goal is to finish the OFM season before the next NFL season, then in my opinion, using the computer game would be the best way and would leave for less "grey area" scenarios.
I am not advocating for the league to move to online only, as most people prefer playing in person. I am advocating for us to adapt and use the computer game to remain on schedule and play ALL games until it is safer to play in person. However, in the future, everyone owning the computer game would allow for more opportunity to play for those with tighter schedules.
I understand that the computer game costs a little extra money, however I believe it is worth it to the league and the individual, especially in a time like this. If anyone finds this extra cost to cause them financial strain, I'm sure something can be worked out with several members of the league to help lessen the burden. FWIW, this is not a multi-thousand dollar purchase, so any comparisons to one are asinine.
A shift to the online game for this season would also avoid any potential problems if the "quarantine" is extended into the late summer. Rich's proposal is assuming that life will return to normal in the next month or so. If that does not happen, we do not have a contingency plan and will then be scrambling to decide whether to cancel the season outright or make some other adjustment. Going to the computer game eliminates that.
I do not believe people should just be able to decide if they want to be in the playoffs or not. A spot in the playoffs should be earned, and I would hope everyone would agree with that. Also, I believe this system can lead to "draft tampering" - more on that to come.
If we were use the computer game, I am okay with a clean slate in terms of injuries for simplicity purposes.
While I do not want a shortened next season, if it were deemed necessary, I agree with Anthony that it is better to know in advance than to change mid-season. It is not ideal, but knowing in advance levels the playing field. Again, I believe the computer game would allow for us to finish on time, making this a non-issue.
The "draft tampering" I referred to above, has come to my attention from some minor research. There are several coaches with 2 teams who do not own their 1st round picks with one team and own their 1st with their other team. This could lead to the coach entering the playoffs with the team that does not have their 1st round pick and forfeiting and/or throwing the game to be eliminated quickly and entering the lottery with the other team. This would give the owner a better chance at the #1 overall pick and cost him almost nothing with the other team - especially if somebody else owns the 1st round pick. The best way to avoid this scenario is play all of our games and let the order come naturally.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2020 15:13:12 GMT
Since the proposal has carried by vote and at least one player wishes to wait and see who is in, the Vikings elect, as they always intended, to be IN the playoffs. I trust the will of God and the rolls of the dice! Let's get this party started!!!
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Post by allday28 on Apr 29, 2020 15:33:32 GMT
Since the proposal has carried by vote and at least one player wishes to wait and see who is in, the Vikings elect, as they always intended, to be IN the playoffs. I trust the will of God and the rolls of the dice! Let's get this party started!!! Yes: John, Brent, Pete, Peter, Ryan K, Mark, Carl (7). Right now that’s 7/15. Chris and Pat never said yes as is and Rich himself said this wasn’t meant to be an actual proposal.
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